
A while back I agreed to go on a date. Considering my first interaction with the young man convinced me he posed a threat to society, it wasn’t the wisest decision to agree. However when I agreed I gave a non-binding ‘yes of course we’ll do dinner sometime….’ reply. Despite my vague response a few days later I received a text with the address of a restaurant and the date/time of a dinner reservation. I thought it was a slightly abrasive approach to dating but our mutual friend assured me that he was being ‘assertive’.
In spite of my reservations I decided it would be dishonourable to cancel the date due to ‘period pains’.
Sidebar: Period pains were the easiest way of getting out of P.E in Secondary School. 10 years later and I still use the same excuse to avoid doing things I don’t want to do. What that says about me….I don’t know.
I’d recently purchased an oversized blazer with pockets big enough to conceal a rape alarm and penknife (I’m joking about the penknife part…)(I lied that I was joking). So I concluded that as I’d be well dressed and semi-armed there was no real harm in showing up.
Just before I left my house I decided to Google the restaurant. My mouth dropped when I saw the prices.
Sidebar: According to my ‘stiletto price index’ (I peg everything against the price of shoes) the meal could pay for a few pairs of sexy shoes.
I’ve never been a fan of expensive restaurants. In light of the fact we excrete everything we consume, the food never seems to taste good enough justify the exorbitant price. I think it’s the prestige attached to dining in such establishments that attract its clientele, rather than the quality of the food itself. However I wasn’t paying, so I wasn’t complaining.
The evening started well but as soon as the food arrived the date proceeded to go downhill. I’ve never been a big fan of food and have always eaten for survival rather than enjoyment (No Anorexia). What’s even more problematic is the fact my spirit is liberal but my palate is prejudiced.
Sidebar: This prejudice extends to food from my own culture, I’m not a fan of English/Nigerian cuisine * ducks from virtual bullets *
I tried to eat up and failed. I then proceeded to shove food around my plate to make it seem like I’d eaten.Unsurprisingly, bar a text to find out if I got home ok, after that evening I never heard from the young man again.
Fast forward a few months later and I ran into our mutual friend. He asked me why I thought things had dwindled after one date. I stated I suspected his friend had incorrectly concluded I was bitch with an eating disorder and was (understandably) annoyed that I’d wasted his money. I was wrong.
It seems the main source of his annoyance was the fact I didn’t seem impressed by the restaurant. Now I vividly recall saying and texting ‘thank you for a lovely evening’, because I appreciated the effort he'd made. However I refuse to give a man points just because a restaurant is expensive. My parents taught me to receive every gift with an equal amount of gratitude, irrespective of its price. That idea has been transplanted into my dating philosophy. I don’t get hung up on the price of the date or the prestige of my surroundings; wherever I end up I’m just grateful for the effort and sacrifice made.
The problem is, the young man has bought into the myth that all women are so materialistic spending a lot of money on a date is enough to ensure a date turns out well. When in actual fact there’s little or no correlation between the price of the date and the quality/outcome of the evening. There’s a great pressure placed on men to spend a lot on dates (some bankrupting themselves in the process), however just because it costs a lot, doesn’t mean it’s going to be valuable. Ironically the elements that make dates enjoyable are free. Elements such as being able to conduct a stimulating conversation, being attentive, responsive, engaging, entertaining, witty, funny, none of which can be bought or faked.
When I expressed my stance on this topic to a friend she said......
‘Well I think if you blog about this you’re sending out the wrong message. Women are worth and deserve the best, that includes the luxury of expensive dates.”.
I was bewildered by her response. When did the worth of a woman become contingent on how much is spent on her? Does that mean if a man takes me to Nando's he thinks I’m worth less, and by accepting his offer I automatically become less? I think the ‘I deserve expensive dates because I’m worth it’ idea reinforces the perverse logic that a woman’s worth can be quantified. And the day a woman uses how much a man spends on her as the yardstick with which she measures her self-worth, she’s no longer worth much because she’s devalued herself.
My opinion is that men (or women) shouldn’t spend an excessive amount on dates because the factors that really matter are free. However it doesn't matter what I think because many will continue to bankrupt themselves unnecessarily.
Considering the nature of this post it’ll probably come as no surprise that one of the best dates I’ve ever been on cost absolutely nothing. Then again that doesn't lend further credence to my theory as it could have been a complete fluke. So what's your view? Are expensive dates worth it? Should a woman be impressed by a man who spends more? Or is it all dependent on the people involved? As ever please weigh in!
Christiana
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Really great read & I agree with all your points. Keep up the good work!
ReplyDeleteExpensive dates are okay when you are already dating, married or to celebrate an anniversary or something of that sort. Not on a first date but then again some women like that sort of thing.
ReplyDeleteI agree somewhat, but I think there is some sort of correlation between how much a person values their date, and the amount of money they're willing to spend. Yes, you can have great dates for free i.e. stimulating conversation in a park etc, but if a date consistently took you to MacDonalds, surely you'd be questioning how seriously he took you??
ReplyDeleteIm a man and agree with every point you made :)
ReplyDeleteI agree with you! I'm also really glad you touched on a woman's worth in relation to the topic!
ReplyDeleteI love fine dining, sometimes things can go too much to the left... It's not always a power statement designed to impress as peacock feathers, sometimes some guys/girls are just sharing their interest in what makes them tick too.
ReplyDeleteIt's like if a guy bought you shoes from LV or Clarks. The LV's would probably move you more. Apply the same principle with you to food and it makes no difference at all. Therein lies the difference in my view, subject matter and interest, but everyone male and female alike likes some indulgence.
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I like to feel comfortable and if I feel he is bankrupt after the meal, I don't feel comfortable. Fancy restaurants have never really amazed me, if the foods good I'm good and if he is interesting then that's enough. Okay I understand someone talking about McDz and that not being appropriate, but each to their own. Just feel there should be some communication before date one on where to go then maybe it can go up as the relationship increases.
ReplyDeleteI only want a man who can spend alot on me.
ReplyDeleteYou must have been joking when you said you moved food around the plate to seem like you were eating. First of all, the guy made the effort to take you somewhere decent (he could have saved up by doing overtime at work thereby not affecting his spending patterns at all. Going to heston blumenthal or whatever does not make people bankrupt, indiscriminate spending does. I'hv been to jamie's italian & heston's, am not rich, but i was prepared.), secondly he was patient enough not to tell you off at the restaurant of how degrading and ungrateful you are to having food at all and lastly he did not pick a fight with you after the night, he simply walked. Next time you don't want to go on a date, please say NO. If you do go on a date and find the place overwhelming or over-bearing, say so before the main course is served. Apologise for being a pain and tell the guy you would prefer to have something simple. You will save him money and he will appreciate your honesty. I for one would hate the idea of hanging around a girl who can't tell me she is not comfortable with where i have taken her. If you don't like food, don't do restaurants. Simple.
ReplyDeleteI had a very similar experience some time back. I find it incredibly annoying that some guys think that having money SHOULD impress! This guy actually wrote on a mutual friends wall (Oh should i mention that he wrote "S*****y" obviously hinting at me..) after our "date" and said I was a dull babe because i seemed nonchalant about the whole experience. I was polite enough to thank him afterwards. But in all honesty, I would much rather had spent time with someone who that I would have good conversations with, and generally just enjoy being around!
ReplyDeleteGreat Post by the way! :) xx
Im sorry but I don't think its her fault the guy was mad. He didnt give her a chance to pick the restaurant because he was being "assertive". And if a guy takes me to a restaurant and I'm not feeling the food, I wont force it down my throat just because it is expensive and I would not apologize. I think the guy saying that she wasn't "impressed" by his choice of restaurant was a really silly thing to say. So because a guy spends a crazy amount of money on you that means he likes you? I think it is very backward to think that a guy must take you to an expensive restaurant for you to know he likes you. I can take myself to any restaurant I please, I don't need a man to do that and if he does I'm sure as hell not gonna jump for joy and lick his feet.
ReplyDeleteI'm in agreement with you. Since we are also talking about being honest, then please don't take me to a place you can't afford just to impress me. Were is the honesty in that. And who am I really going out on a date with. Show me the real you. Now if you can afford it and you simply want me to experience something different, then fine. But if you are really interested, you will find out what places I like and make arrangements based on that.
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ReplyDeleteDedication: When I have a daughter, I’m going to name her Emamnuela, after you... F.E.B
November 5th 2004 proved that the coldest winters in London are the most beautiful. The air hit her chest like ice-cream hugging the teeth of a child, the iciness was chapping, but it was necessary to brave the weather to get to school. Only the New York snow in February could ever compare to the wonders of winter in London. Only the walk from the houses on the French Canadian hills, Mont Tremblant to St. Joviet could compare to the isolation as she walked from her house to the bus stop, clutching her free child oyster card in her hand. Only the feeling of waiting alone at an airport, with no money, no internet, no phone and no hope could be worse. (Only a student loan, overdraft, three credit cards and letters from debt collectors demanding immediate payment or prosecution could be worse. Only the feeling of rejection and lonliness could ever compare.) Though her 14-year-old body could not fathom such things, hers was a treasured, protected and happy childhood – free from any trace of adulthood; bedtimes at 9pm, home-made fudge for dessert and hair neatly plaited at all times. The November chill was her only feeling of coldness.
Such nights get much shorter and darker, very quickly. Children are sent inside from play, unlike the summer months when they are free to roam; unlike the January snowy season, where they are permitted to haul snowballs at passersby’s and build snowpersons and igloos. The moon sits perfectly, even in the morning, while the stars hide behind a brown duvet of pollution. The journey from Peckham, to Camberwell, Vauxhall to Victoria is eerie, but pleasant, as she sits, nervously on the seats furthest from the window, cautious in case trouble brews on the bus; that she may run down the stairs to the safety of the drivers protection. She was always unnecessarily cautious, unsure of her inner voice, beauty and presence, susceptible to the opinions of people who did not matter, yet fearless. Winter attempted to stare her into house arrest, but she loved school, so she awoke everyday at 6.30 and prepared to leave the house by 7.30, and she was never late.
Emmanuela was beautiful, but beauty did not own her, it did not claim her or engulf her, it was simply a part of her, a quality that defined her though it cannot accurately be pinpointed in her because no-one else could be her. When something is new, rare and original, it cannot be seen as beautiful, unlike a baby or flower whose unconsionability makes it beautiful; her innocence was of a different kind; undefinable. Furthermore, she didn’t care, she was intelligent, personable, popular amongst her peers and was very talented; beauty was forgotten by her and only reminded by those who flattered her, and their compliments were often degrading and unwanted.
If you do not enjoy the person's company and do not know the person, it does not matter which place you go to. Whether it is cheap or expensive, you will have a rotten date for one simple reason. You are not compatible. He made an effort he thought was right. It could have been based on his perception of you. He made a wrong judgement, but his heart was in the right place.
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A date is comprised of two or more people. It is more than likely that the two of you were not compatible, did not know eachother well and made wrong judgements.
ReplyDeleteIt is not the place that makes a date exciting, it is the people who are on the date that make it happen.
It would be wise to get to know eachother first and develope that trust first too. There is nothing worse than going on a date with that niggling feeling that you might get raped. You should be feeling safe with the person first.
IF it was not meant to be, it was not meant to be. I could go to an expensive if i wanted to. I do not care where i am taken, but i deeply care for who takes me out.
What I am about to say is as a young fellow who likes to cling onto the notion that chivalry is not yet dead and I will preserve it in myself and through my sons!
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'‘Well I think if you blog about this you’re sending out the wrong message. Women are worth and deserve the best, that includes the luxury of expensive dates.”.
I was bewildered by her response. When did the worth of a woman become contingent on how much is spent on her? Does that mean if a man takes me to Nando's he thinks I’m worth less, and by accepting his offer I automatically become less? I think the ‘I deserve expensive dates because I’m worth it’ idea reinforces the perverse logic that a woman’s worth can be quantified. And the day a woman uses how much a man spends on her as the yardstick with which she measures her self-worth, she’s no longer worth much because she’s devalued herself.'
I agree that a woman should not be bought and simply cannot be bought. Hooowever I sympathise with what your friend said, and as man, if I can afford it i ought to (if circumstances allow) at least be ready to lavish a young lady with a ncie meal, and if it means spending a few bob then so be it I will. I understand however that at the same time no matter how much i spend I ought not to then think this allows for the more finer points like conversation/wit/engagement to suffer, nay they should be all teh more important.
But what i am saying is that it is not a bad thing to treat a woman indeed if you can I think we should, so I would disagree with you that this automatically means we are 'pricing her up'
What I am about to say is as a young fellow who likes to cling onto the notion that chivalry is not yet dead and I will preserve it in myself and through my sons!
ReplyDeleteYou wrote of your friend who said the following.
'‘Well I think if you blog about this you’re sending out the wrong message. Women are worth and deserve the best, that includes the luxury of expensive dates.”.
I was bewildered by her response. When did the worth of a woman become contingent on how much is spent on her? Does that mean if a man takes me to Nando's he thinks I’m worth less, and by accepting his offer I automatically become less? I think the ‘I deserve expensive dates because I’m worth it’ idea reinforces the perverse logic that a woman’s worth can be quantified. And the day a woman uses how much a man spends on her as the yardstick with which she measures her self-worth, she’s no longer worth much because she’s devalued herself.'
I agree that a woman should not be bought and simply cannot be bought, her worth is not contingent on how much is spent on her. Hooowever I sympathise with what your friend said, and as man, if I can afford it i ought to (if circumstances allow) at least be ready to lavish a young lady with a nice meal, and if it means spending a few bob then so be it I will (within reason as extravagance i feel is not responsible considering the poverty many live in).
I understand however that at the same time no matter how much i spend I ought not to then think this allows for the more finer points like conversation/wit/engagement to suffer, nay they should be all the more important. Yes it is not a case of ‘I deserve expensive dates because I’m worth it’ but it should be a case of as a man 'For me to take the young lady out I think she is worth it and therefore I will treat her well as best I can (monetary and MORE so emotionally/personally).
But what i am saying is that it is not a bad thing to treat a woman indeed if you can I think we should, so I would disagree with you that this automatically means we are 'pricing her up'.
Are expensive dates worth it? For me no! If anything they are a turn off! In a marriage relationship it would be different, but for a date when we're only trying to get to know each other, I always feel as if I'm being coerced to like the guy, as if I owe him something since his put out so much money. I'd rather a decent not too fancy place where we can just talk and have a laugh.
ReplyDeleteAnd also (not trying to be a militant feminist) but I like the ability to pay for my own food even if the guy does eventually pay, I just want that I ability. As I know myself that I don't pay ridiculous amounts for food, expensive restaurants outside marriage or family do's are a no no.
Rachel.
I believe all that you said is true I think that the best dates are free. Although I have never went on an expensive date, you are quite right about the free dates are the best. I believe that the free dates are the best because you don't have the pressure of having the price hanging on your shoulders and how you have to act in a fancy atmosphere. With free dates you actually get to see how your date acts and how he/she is with a comfortable setting. Which with a starting out relationship see ing how they act and getting to know them is what matters the most.
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